Most Overrated Bands of all-time (prep show)

Most overrated bands/performers of all time

places listening: Philippines, Australia, Indonesia, Canada, UK, UAE, Russia (high vladimir), France, Ireland, Brazil, Switzerland, Mexico, Iran, New Zealand, Trinidad & Tobago.

top cities: Ashburn, VA, Seattle, WA, Charlotte, Alingaro Philippines, Dubai, Brisbane, Montreal, Karang Indonesia, Auckland NZ, Carmona Philippines, Monterrey MX and plenty more 

Red Zone Channel is marvelous — there’s no game I’d rather watch on it’s own, instead of watching 7 hours of the Red Zone channel passively. 

Tom Coughlin owns Bill Belicheck like Matt Damon owned Teddy KGB in Rounders.

Rap beef with Eminem and Machine Gun Kelly ( Mac Miller // unfortunate comments made about his demise and a rap beef from Curtis Fingers)

Post Malone, G Easy

people essentially have come in at different periods and ruined genres of music — jazz, the blues, disco (bee gees, are we finally at a point in hip-hop, in which the next generation of performers go to a different genre?

Inherently every overrated artist is classified as “pop” - because you really can’t be overrated if nobody collectively knows who you are. Is that fair? 

So, i’m not sure we need a pop category — but i think 4 quadrants of music are worth placing people in

The Foo fighters are properly rated — I had them as slightly overrated, then saw them live and realized they are so great live that i had underrated them — i think they’re properly rated.

Legends = Includes Classic Rock, Hip Hop, Country, Singer Song writer, Etc:  Pre 1991

The Doors, Bruce Springsteen, Kiss, The Ramones, Pink Floyd, Eagles

Can we quickly discuss the hot take cindy harrington had, related to your disdain for Bruce Springsteen

Steve Perry alledgedly has a new song — I’m shocked and amazed at this news 

Alt Rock and Newer Rock

Stone Temple Pilots are overrated but Scott Weiland is either properly rated or under rated 

What’s your thought on Sublime / Bradley Nowell ? Properly rated 

Limp Bizkit (3 dollar bills ya’ll was ok), Godsmack 

Linkin Park 

Green Day??????

Blink 182? 

Radiohead 

Dave Matthews Band 

U2

Bob Dylan

Hip Hop

Pitbull (as an entertainer maybe not, as a rapper… yup)

Warren G

Kanye? (Not as a producer)

Soulja Boy 

Akon - was replaced in like 20 mins 

Lil Wayne, Beastie Boys??? That’s a hot take! 

Country / Boy Bands / Teen Sensations / Etc 

Britney Spears, N’Sync (Here’s my hot take on this one, no Justin Timberlake, that band would have been less successful than 98 degrees and O-Town. Amy Winehouse, Carrie Underwood, Toby Keith  

Rosco’s list - Dr. Dre. / Mary J Blige 

1992-2015 — anything in 2016 -now is too in flux in my opinion. 

Picking the Greatest Front Man of all time - Bracket Style tournament

The Greatest Frontman of All-Time - Elimination Tournament

Here are the areas the judges will be grading on

  1. Sizzling dance moves/ stage presence 
  2. Singing ability
  3. distinctness of voice (which is close to number 2, but also very important
  4. X Factor/ It Factor/ and or legendary partying stories from the road/ antics 
  5. Commercial success/ critical acclaim 

Brackets: 

Charisma Bracket: 

David Lee Roth Vs Paul Stanley - To me this one is very easy - my only concerns on DLR is the fact that as lead singer of Van Halen-  ultimately he was replaceable. 

Sammy wasn’t as good, but he made people forget about Dave. And Dave, didn’t hold up well as a solo artist or even in his rebooted VH appearances. 

One question - was Paul Stanley replaced in KISS for a bit as well??

But if I rank these guys in any of our five categories - David Lee Roth beats Paul Stanley in all 5 — “Jump” was nominated for a Grammy in 1985 (As well as several VMA’s and AMA’s, etc) - Kiss did win a People’s choice award in 1977 for “Beth” but this matchup is a cake walk for diamond dave.

Kurt Cobain vs Dave Grohl - Hot Take on Grohl vs Cobain - I like Foo Fighters better than Nirvana. I agree that Dave Grohl has become a better front man… but, what if none of it would’ve happened without Kurt Cobain. Kurt Cobain gave Grohl a platform and Grohl ran with it — but there’s an argument that Curt was good and made Nirvana so big, that he is the reason Dave is even in our consciousness. Curt is an ICON — part of what hurts his case is a brief career — but part of what helps his case is his brief career

Sizzling moves/ stage presence - I gotta go with Grohl

Singing Ability - I gotta of with Grohl again / but it’s a larger and more broad sample size

Distinctiveness of Voice - Cobain easy

X Factor — I think for as much as Grohl has done to become an ICON over 20 years — Kurt Cobain was the whole enchilada from Jump street

Commercial success Critical acclaim - Well you pretty much give Grohl at least some credit for Nirvana’s success and you can’t give Kurt ‘direct’ credit for Foo Fighters’ success 

Foot fighters have been nominated for 91 total awards, winning 26 of them - including 27 grammy nominations and 11 grammy wins

Nirvana has been nominated 25 times with 12 wins, including 7 grammy nominations and 1 win

I’m picking Cobain

Energizer Bunny Bracket:

Mick Jaggar Vs Eddie Vedder

This is a heavy weight battle - 

Sizzling moves/ Stage presence: Jaggar all day, Maroon 5 didn’t write “Moves like Vedder” they wrote “Moves like Jaggar”

Singing Ability - this is tough for Mick cuz now we’re seeing 70 year old Mick since - but overall I think maybe Eddie in a close one

Distinctiveness of voice — same deal this is really tough - two incredibly distinct voices — I’m voting for a “push” 

X Factor - In terms of true Front Man persona - I gotta go with Mick - In 7th grade Mick Jaggar was in my english class encyclopedia wearing a Philadelphia eagles jersey on stage the Encyclopedia company deemed him worthwhile enough to document as existing — that’s X factor people

Commercial success/ Critical Acclaim: Pearl Jam 37 nominations including 12 wins - 15 grammy noms with 2 wins - Rolling Stones won 2 Grammys in 1994 for Voodoo Lounge and Love is Strong

I’m going with Mick Jaggar

Bon Jovi vs Bono

Another heavyweight matchup - two polarizing figures

Sizzling Moves: This is very tough — I’d say in the 80’s it was JBJ thanks for the Glam Rock era of antics and showmanship. I’d say in the 90’s it would shift to Bono - I’m punting on this category for now

Singing ability: Again - super tough - both guys have range, versatility, etc — I’m going slight edge to Bono

Distinctiveness of voice — JBJ is usually distinctive, Bono is always distinctive

X Factor — Bono is tough to beat in this realm — but I gotta go slight edge to JBJ - he’s even charmed Bill Belicheck as a super fan

Commercial Success/ Critical Acclaim: Bon Jovi 68 nominations with 22 wins, including 9 grammy noms and 1 win - U2 has won 95 awards including winning 22 grammys - U2 wins this category hands down

I’m taking Bono is a marathon death match

Epic Voice Bracket:

Axl Rose vs Anthony Keidis - Anthony could be a huge match up problem for a lot of people on this list — and so could Axl Rose - it’s fitting that they are up against each other

Sizzling Moves: Nobody is going to question that Keidis’ career is based upon sizzling moves — but Axl in the 1980’s and frankly Axl last summer does such a great job still, that I’ll give Keidis the win in this category but not by a lot

Distinctiveness of voice - again two dudes who totally stand out in a crowd. I’m going with Axl though

Singing Ability: Axl... Nuff said… next question

X Factor: here’s a hot take - Both Axl and Keidis are beneficiaries of at least 1 other mega persona in their respective bands - Slash and Flea. 

My ultimate take away is that Red Hot Chili Peppers are an X-Factor band (with at least two virtuosos at their peak Flea and John F - plus Chad Smith is no slouch). GNR is not fully respected as GNR without Axl and Slash on stage together. Duff matters a lot to legitimizing that lineup too, but Axl ain’t Freddy Mercury and neither is Keidis. I’m going with a “push” on this one

Commercial Success/ Critical Acclaim: GNR 27 nominations w 10 wins, 3 grammy noms 0 wins — RHCP 68 nominations, 23 wins - 16 grammy nominations and 6 wins — Keidis wins this (with help from his band) 

Robert Plant vs Chris Cornell

Battle of the big time voices - might be the two best singers in this whole tournament

Sizzling moves — neither one of these dudes is big on the captivating moves - but Rosco talk about seeing Cornell’s one man show again…

Distinctiveness of voice: Cornell has distinctive voice — but Robert Plant is pretty singular — i’m going Robert Plant

Singing Ability: This is such a tough call — but i think Cornell’s versatility (Audio Slave, Sound Garden, Ave Maria) gives him the edge

X Factor: The partying antics of Zeppelin count a lot here - Almost Famous was based off of Zeppelin - Unless Rosco can sway me, I’m going Robert Plant

Commercial Success and Critical Acclaim: Led Zeppelin has been nominated for 896 awards, winning 638 of them. Including 7 Grammy Noms with 5 wins /// Soundgarden 10 noms total with 4 wins — 8 grammy noms with 2 wins - Cornell was nominated for 3 more grammys with Audio slave and 3 more as a solo artist with 2 more wins - Soooo Cornell is in the mix

Triple threat Braket:

Freddy Mercury vs Chuck D

Tough Matchup for Chuck D

Sizzling Moves - Nobody is beating Freddy

Distinctiveness of Voice: Chuck D is distinctive, Freddy is more distinctive

Singing ability — Well Chuck D’s rapping ability is fantastic — but Freddy can sing his face off

X Factor — very strong category for Chuck D - but I’m still going Freddy

Commercial Success / Critical Acclaim -  Queen very surprising only 3 noms and zero grammy wins  /// Public Enemy has 6 grammy nominations and zero wins

Steven Tyler vs Scott Weiland

Steven Tyler took a lot of heat getting into this thing /// Scott Weiland had a love fest getting in (despite being a 3 seed) 

Sizzling moves: Steven Tyler has great moves, especially pre-Year 2000

Distinctiveness of voice: Steven Tyler again, I’d say

Singing ability: Scotty Weiland  

X Factor: Steven Tyler has a lot of this, he truly does — but I gotta go with Scotty Dubs on this one

Commercial Success/ Critical Acclaim: STP 4 Grammy noms Zero Wins, Velvet Revolver 3 noms with 1 win for Slither in 2005 /// Aerosmith 79 total noms with 32 total wins. 17 Grammy noms with 4 grammy wins 

 

Ultimate Christmas Song Hard Rock Mixtape Playlist - show notes

The quintessential Rock & Roll Christmas song mixtape playlist aka how to “Bro-out Christmas” 

Do a Paul Stanley voice - I don’t want no, Mariah Carey, I’m not trying to listen to any Bing Crosby — I’m looking for some Cold Gin!

Carl’s initial playlist:

“Father Christmas” by the Kinks- Love this one - original concept. Total rocker! Song about a dept store santa getting mugged and robbed. They just want cash money! Straight Cash HOMIE!!!!  Great use of xylophone, too

“Little Saint Nick” by the Beach Boys - It’s a jam - cuz the beach boys harmonies are the best Damn harmonies of the 20th century

Cover “You’re a mean one mr grinch” by the Whirling Dervishes — Yeah i’ll give you this one… good rock version of an all-time favorite of mine

“The season’s upon us” by DropKick Murphy’s - The drop kicks basically just stole the Pogues sound, added a bag pipe guy, and a pinch of Mighty Might Bosstones Bravado — this song reminds me of “I’m an a-hole” by Dennis Leary — This song does not get on my mixtape — I mean it’s a fun video and all - Convince me Carl!!!!

“Christmas Eve/ Sarajevo” Trans Siberian Orchestra — This band is basically if Metallica had only done Christmas songs for a career. Def a cool and and song to see live Def cool for those christmas lights / synched to music shows on people’s houses and in Miller Light commercials

“Christmas is the time to say I love you” Billy Squire- Video of the 1981 MTV staff/ VJ’s in Billy’s chorus is what it’s all about — also this is the first time I’ve ever seen what Billy Squier looked like back in the day — Good feel good one - a sing a long to hopefully start a sing a long at your house

“Christmas in Hollis” Run DMC - I mean this is my all-time fave!

“Merry Christmas (I don’t want to fight tonight)” The Ramones - Such a LONG ISLAND Video (with accents and everything) - It’s a video that crosses Beastie Boys “Fight for your right” with Christmas party domestic squabbles

“2000 Miles” the Pretenders - This is such a great song - are the pretenders the most under rated band ever? Crissy Hynde is a gifted singer, total Hall of Famer. This song sounds more like a pretenders song than a christmas song, which is a GREAT THING — that’s what makes a real badass Christmas song - do something cool and original and it will be “Forever” - Love this pick, Carl!

“thank god it’s Christmas” Queen - Can honestly say until last night, I had never heard this song in my life — it’s good, cuz It’s Queen and Freddie Mercury - how did i miss this song for the better part of 4 decades

“Fairy Tale of New York” the Pogues- might be a top 3 song about the city of new york (All time, including Jay-Z & Alicia Keys and Frank Sinatra) - Matt Dillon plans a cop in the video - And any time you can feature a tin whistle and questionable epithets in the same christmas song, you’ve got a winner. Video pretty much makes me want to cry in a good way — so it’s the jam of jams in my mind

Christmas all over again - Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers - end of Home Alone Too: Lost in New York - I like this jam cuz it’s more of a Petty song than a Christmas song

“Run Run Rudolph” - Chuck Berry - great jam. Also from Home Along - but this chuck berry song isof the one John Travolta and Uma Thurman dance to in Pulp Fiction. Nothing say Christmas like that  

AC/DC “Mistress for Christmas” - Sounds exactly how you think an AC/DC Christmas song would sound. Jingle bells, power chords and sexual innuendos galore. It’s on the Razor’s Edge Album too.  Released in 1990 this record also featured Thunderstruck and Money talks

Happy Christmas (War is over) by John Lennon & Yoko Ono

The Waitresses - Christmas Wrapping (who I always think is Blondie) - Straight out of the 70’s - got a punk/ Disco/ hip-hop groove. Questions from the video, who is the lead singer of the waitresses? She’s handsome lady — and the rest of the bandare apparently “male waitress” which is cool. Hold the phone, the bass player is also a lady - NICE!!!!  Great 80s graphics

U2 - Christmas (Baby Please come home) - Still Gives me goose bumps They made this back in the Joshua Tree days - complete with Black & White video and all. Is U2 the only band with a money Christmas song that also has a money New year’s song? “New Year’s Day” 

Wham - Last Christmas - totally thought that was just George Michael solo

Great Big Sled - by the KIllers - Great jam — another one that sounds like a Killers song with Christmas lyrics - these are the type of tunes i’m most down with - and they also have a parody Christmas song - “Don’t shoot me santa” which i actually really like upon 1 listen last night 

Best Front Man of All-Time Volume 2

Greatest Front man ever volume 2 - rounding out slot 9-16 in the tournament field 

 

Already in the Dance: David Lee Roth, Freddy Mercury, Axl Rose, Mick Jaggar, Jon Bon Jovi, Chuck D, Chris Cornell and Steven Tyler are in

 

Nominees by the fans and pundits of the show: Kurt Cobain, Bono, Scott Weiland, Eddie Vedder, Dave Grohl, Robert Plant, Anthony Keidis and several more

 

All of these artists were nominated by the fans - but only got about 2% of the vote each — Gwen Stefani, Stevie Nicks, Lionel, Phil Collins, Michael Stipe, Chris Martin, Layne Staley, Mike Patten, Iggy Pop, Maynard James Keenan

 

Artists with 5% of the vote - Anthony Keidis 

 

Artists with 7.3% of the vote - Dave Grohl and Robert Plant (Springsteen got 7.3% of vote - not eligible)

Artists with 9.7%  - Prince - also ineligible 

 

Artists getting 12.2% of the vote Eddie Vedder, Scott Weiland and Bono

 

Artists getting 17% of the vote Kurt Cobain 

 

We have 8 slots left - if we allow the fans to speak (which we’re all about on this show) Cobain clearly won the popular vote — so he’s gotta be in — that’s 9 

 

If we keep it rolling with the fans - Eddie Vedder, Scott Weiland and Bono are all on the next group in - I say Bono for sure, I say Scott Weiland for sure — Eddie i think we push towards the bubble as the selection committee? DO you agree??

 

If we let in Bono - that’s 10 spots filled, 6 remaining and if we let in Weiland that’s 11 spots with 5 remaining 

 

I think Grohl and Robert Plant have waited long enough — i move to put them the dance only 4 slots or 3 slots left, if Weiland is in.

 

So, now we’re looking at a bubble of Eddie Vedder, Anthony Keidis  both of whom should probably get in… though i’m having trouble with Vedder. But the debate is Gwen, Stevie, Lionel, Phil Collins, Chris Martin, Michael Hutchens and Roger Daltry of the who — i’m bringing those 2 back in

 

Paul Stanley    

 

Potential Seeding: 

One seeds: Freddy Mercury, Axl Rose, David Lee Roth, Mick Jaggar

 

Two Seeds: Jon Bon Jovi, Steven Tyler, Robert Plant, Kurt Cobain

 

Three seeds: Grohl, Weiland, Bono,  Chris Cornell

 

Four Seeds: Chuck D, Anthony Keidis, Eddie Vedder and Paul Stanley 

 

Brackets: 

 

Charisma Bracket: 

David Lee Roth Vs Paul Stanley 

Kurt Cobain vs Dave Grohl 

 

Energizer Bunny Bracket:

Mick Jaggar Vs Eddie Vedder

Bon Jovi vs Bono

 

Epic Voice Bracket:

Axl Rose vs Anthony Keidis 

Robert Plant vs Chris Cornell

 

Triple threat Braket:

Freddy Mercury vs Chuck D

Steven Tyler vs Scott Weiland 

 

  

Hot Take on Grohl vs Cobain - I like Foo Fighters better than Nirvana. I agree that Dave Grohl has become a better front man… but, what if none of it would’ve happened without Kurt Cobain. Kurt Cobain gave Grohl a platform and Grohl ran with it — but there’s an argument that Curt was good and made Nirvana so big, that he is the reason Dave is even in our consciousness. Curt is an ICON — part of what hurts his case is a brief career — but part of what helps his case is his brief career 

 

Hot Take on David Lee Roth — ultimately he was replaceable. Sammy wasn’t as good, but he made people forget about Dave. And Dave, didn’t hold up well as a solo artist or even in his rebooted VH appearances.