Rock Hall of Fame 2020 Inductee Podcast

2020 Rock Hall of Fame 

Place listening Paris France - continues to lead the list, Mountain View, CA and San Jose CA, Amsterdam and long lost friends in Ashburn VA all checking in the top 5 or 10 places listening this week 

France, USA and Netherlands are the top 3 countries - also UK, Spain, Australia, Iran, Turkey and Iraq - based on episode 299 - not shocked on those countries listening 

Bad Boys for Life aka part 3, I’m all over it. Feel like it’s rare in hollywood to take like 7 years before part 2 and then like 17 more years before part 3. Both Spiderman and Batman have been rebooted twice each between Bad Boys 2 and Bad Boys 3

For the first time in 7 years the winner of the fan vote didn’t get inducted. And this year it was first time nominee, Dave Matthews Band.

Fans are up in arms, 1,000,000 people voted for them, USA Today is covering it — and frankly — I’m not a big fan of snubs — but this Manufactured Controversy is probably good for the Rock Hall’s awareness in the public consciousness.

Getting In: 

Whitney Houston — the second biggest oversight of the past 3-5 years after Janet Jackson and now they are both in

The Notorious BIG - this is a no-brainer for me - but the Hall Has snubbed LL Cool J - so it’s great to see them get one right. 

Depeche Mode

Nine Inch Nails

Doobie Brothers 

T. Rex - they are about to spur on a spinoff podcast titled “Who is the worst act inducted into the Rock Hall of Fame”.

I voted on November 7th - My Votes were Biggie, Whitney, Nine Inch Nails, Soundgarden (soft spot for Cornell), Dave Matthews Band. I felt the biggest LOCK was DMB. 

At the Time of My vote in November: 

DMB was leading with 385,656 votes  (Only the beatles and rolling stones have had more #1 albums)

Pat Benatar was 2nd with 363,191 votes (this is a huge snub as well) - 8 gold albums from 1979-1988 including 6 straight going platinum. Her “You better run video” was the 2nd ever to be on MTV. 4 straight GRAMMYS for female performer of the year. 

The Doobie Bros were 3rd with 328,435 votes  HOF 

Soundgarden was 4th with 325,264 votes (first Seattle grunge band to sign to a major label)

Judas Priest was 5th with 286,131 votes 

Depeche Mode was 6th with 265515 votes  HOF (arguably the best version of synth-pop out there) 

Whitney Houston was 7th with 247,791 votes  HOF  (Basically invented the national anthem as a spectacle at Super Bowl 25)

8th Thin Lizzy 

9th Motorhead

10th Nine Inch Nails  200,116 votes  HOF  (Godfather of pop/ industrial rock)

11th Todd Rundgren

12th T Rex 150,692 votes  HOF  (There are people saying they essentially invented Glam Rock when they left “Psychedelic Folk Music”- welp 

13th Biggie Smalls 148,173 votes HOF  (Biggie is what this is all about. Larger than life persona who did his version of music at the highest level possible). He’s always listed on the mount rushmore of MC’s - he’s gotta be in. I’m stoked and shocked that they got this right. 

14th Kraftwerk 

15th Rufus ft. Chaka Khan 68,852 votes 

Picking the Greatest Front Man of all time - Bracket Style tournament

The Greatest Frontman of All-Time - Elimination Tournament

Here are the areas the judges will be grading on

  1. Sizzling dance moves/ stage presence 
  2. Singing ability
  3. distinctness of voice (which is close to number 2, but also very important
  4. X Factor/ It Factor/ and or legendary partying stories from the road/ antics 
  5. Commercial success/ critical acclaim 

Brackets: 

Charisma Bracket: 

David Lee Roth Vs Paul Stanley - To me this one is very easy - my only concerns on DLR is the fact that as lead singer of Van Halen-  ultimately he was replaceable. 

Sammy wasn’t as good, but he made people forget about Dave. And Dave, didn’t hold up well as a solo artist or even in his rebooted VH appearances. 

One question - was Paul Stanley replaced in KISS for a bit as well??

But if I rank these guys in any of our five categories - David Lee Roth beats Paul Stanley in all 5 — “Jump” was nominated for a Grammy in 1985 (As well as several VMA’s and AMA’s, etc) - Kiss did win a People’s choice award in 1977 for “Beth” but this matchup is a cake walk for diamond dave.

Kurt Cobain vs Dave Grohl - Hot Take on Grohl vs Cobain - I like Foo Fighters better than Nirvana. I agree that Dave Grohl has become a better front man… but, what if none of it would’ve happened without Kurt Cobain. Kurt Cobain gave Grohl a platform and Grohl ran with it — but there’s an argument that Curt was good and made Nirvana so big, that he is the reason Dave is even in our consciousness. Curt is an ICON — part of what hurts his case is a brief career — but part of what helps his case is his brief career

Sizzling moves/ stage presence - I gotta go with Grohl

Singing Ability - I gotta of with Grohl again / but it’s a larger and more broad sample size

Distinctiveness of Voice - Cobain easy

X Factor — I think for as much as Grohl has done to become an ICON over 20 years — Kurt Cobain was the whole enchilada from Jump street

Commercial success Critical acclaim - Well you pretty much give Grohl at least some credit for Nirvana’s success and you can’t give Kurt ‘direct’ credit for Foo Fighters’ success 

Foot fighters have been nominated for 91 total awards, winning 26 of them - including 27 grammy nominations and 11 grammy wins

Nirvana has been nominated 25 times with 12 wins, including 7 grammy nominations and 1 win

I’m picking Cobain

Energizer Bunny Bracket:

Mick Jaggar Vs Eddie Vedder

This is a heavy weight battle - 

Sizzling moves/ Stage presence: Jaggar all day, Maroon 5 didn’t write “Moves like Vedder” they wrote “Moves like Jaggar”

Singing Ability - this is tough for Mick cuz now we’re seeing 70 year old Mick since - but overall I think maybe Eddie in a close one

Distinctiveness of voice — same deal this is really tough - two incredibly distinct voices — I’m voting for a “push” 

X Factor - In terms of true Front Man persona - I gotta go with Mick - In 7th grade Mick Jaggar was in my english class encyclopedia wearing a Philadelphia eagles jersey on stage the Encyclopedia company deemed him worthwhile enough to document as existing — that’s X factor people

Commercial success/ Critical Acclaim: Pearl Jam 37 nominations including 12 wins - 15 grammy noms with 2 wins - Rolling Stones won 2 Grammys in 1994 for Voodoo Lounge and Love is Strong

I’m going with Mick Jaggar

Bon Jovi vs Bono

Another heavyweight matchup - two polarizing figures

Sizzling Moves: This is very tough — I’d say in the 80’s it was JBJ thanks for the Glam Rock era of antics and showmanship. I’d say in the 90’s it would shift to Bono - I’m punting on this category for now

Singing ability: Again - super tough - both guys have range, versatility, etc — I’m going slight edge to Bono

Distinctiveness of voice — JBJ is usually distinctive, Bono is always distinctive

X Factor — Bono is tough to beat in this realm — but I gotta go slight edge to JBJ - he’s even charmed Bill Belicheck as a super fan

Commercial Success/ Critical Acclaim: Bon Jovi 68 nominations with 22 wins, including 9 grammy noms and 1 win - U2 has won 95 awards including winning 22 grammys - U2 wins this category hands down

I’m taking Bono is a marathon death match

Epic Voice Bracket:

Axl Rose vs Anthony Keidis - Anthony could be a huge match up problem for a lot of people on this list — and so could Axl Rose - it’s fitting that they are up against each other

Sizzling Moves: Nobody is going to question that Keidis’ career is based upon sizzling moves — but Axl in the 1980’s and frankly Axl last summer does such a great job still, that I’ll give Keidis the win in this category but not by a lot

Distinctiveness of voice - again two dudes who totally stand out in a crowd. I’m going with Axl though

Singing Ability: Axl... Nuff said… next question

X Factor: here’s a hot take - Both Axl and Keidis are beneficiaries of at least 1 other mega persona in their respective bands - Slash and Flea. 

My ultimate take away is that Red Hot Chili Peppers are an X-Factor band (with at least two virtuosos at their peak Flea and John F - plus Chad Smith is no slouch). GNR is not fully respected as GNR without Axl and Slash on stage together. Duff matters a lot to legitimizing that lineup too, but Axl ain’t Freddy Mercury and neither is Keidis. I’m going with a “push” on this one

Commercial Success/ Critical Acclaim: GNR 27 nominations w 10 wins, 3 grammy noms 0 wins — RHCP 68 nominations, 23 wins - 16 grammy nominations and 6 wins — Keidis wins this (with help from his band) 

Robert Plant vs Chris Cornell

Battle of the big time voices - might be the two best singers in this whole tournament

Sizzling moves — neither one of these dudes is big on the captivating moves - but Rosco talk about seeing Cornell’s one man show again…

Distinctiveness of voice: Cornell has distinctive voice — but Robert Plant is pretty singular — i’m going Robert Plant

Singing Ability: This is such a tough call — but i think Cornell’s versatility (Audio Slave, Sound Garden, Ave Maria) gives him the edge

X Factor: The partying antics of Zeppelin count a lot here - Almost Famous was based off of Zeppelin - Unless Rosco can sway me, I’m going Robert Plant

Commercial Success and Critical Acclaim: Led Zeppelin has been nominated for 896 awards, winning 638 of them. Including 7 Grammy Noms with 5 wins /// Soundgarden 10 noms total with 4 wins — 8 grammy noms with 2 wins - Cornell was nominated for 3 more grammys with Audio slave and 3 more as a solo artist with 2 more wins - Soooo Cornell is in the mix

Triple threat Braket:

Freddy Mercury vs Chuck D

Tough Matchup for Chuck D

Sizzling Moves - Nobody is beating Freddy

Distinctiveness of Voice: Chuck D is distinctive, Freddy is more distinctive

Singing ability — Well Chuck D’s rapping ability is fantastic — but Freddy can sing his face off

X Factor — very strong category for Chuck D - but I’m still going Freddy

Commercial Success / Critical Acclaim -  Queen very surprising only 3 noms and zero grammy wins  /// Public Enemy has 6 grammy nominations and zero wins

Steven Tyler vs Scott Weiland

Steven Tyler took a lot of heat getting into this thing /// Scott Weiland had a love fest getting in (despite being a 3 seed) 

Sizzling moves: Steven Tyler has great moves, especially pre-Year 2000

Distinctiveness of voice: Steven Tyler again, I’d say

Singing ability: Scotty Weiland  

X Factor: Steven Tyler has a lot of this, he truly does — but I gotta go with Scotty Dubs on this one

Commercial Success/ Critical Acclaim: STP 4 Grammy noms Zero Wins, Velvet Revolver 3 noms with 1 win for Slither in 2005 /// Aerosmith 79 total noms with 32 total wins. 17 Grammy noms with 4 grammy wins